tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC October 14, 2015 10:00pm-11:01pm PDT
>> no, this is live, we all heard you just say you feel like you're 102 when you're doing this with your life these days. this is your life, senator, we can all see you. honestly though we're starting to feel bad about it at a human honestly though we're starting to feel bad about it at a human level. that does it for us tonight. see you tomorrow. now it's time for lawrence o'donnell. >> so rand paul has discovered the big problem with live is that it's live. >> is that it's live. >> it's rough. >> it's particularly rough if you say what you're thinking. >> here we, go i'm going to go live. thanks, rachel. >> thanks, lawrence. >> it's hard to imagine how hillary clinton could have had a better night last night. it was as if she planned it all. >> i'm feeling really lucky in las vegas. >> the first democratic debate turned into a big night for hillary clinton. >> and i tweeted, i tweeted. >> i thought she mopped the floor with this group. >> almost like an nba player stopping by a pickup game on the local playground. >> and it was the question
everyone knew was coming that produced the moment of the night. >> the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> thank you! me, too! [ cheers and applause ] >> i personally thought she won the debate. >> she just tied herself to barack obama's hip. >> yes, for me to become secretary of state he value mid-judgment. >> and that was, i believe, all about shadow boxing with joe biden. >> i was proud of -- i thought they all did well. >> in your heart of hearts you have to be hoping he doesn't get into this race at this point. >> i'm not hoping anything about that. >> i think the time has come for a decision. the debate went so well for hillary clinton, so perfectly, that at times it was as if she had planned the whole thing, everything, i mean everything from who would be standing beside her on that stage to who
the republican front-runner would be. everything. just think about it. what was hillary clinton's big problem before this campaign season got started? her big problem was a big number. this number -- 73. polling in 2014 showed hillary clinton with 73% support among democrats. and the problem with such a big number like that is that it made her nomination inevitable and inevitable and boring hasn't worked in presidential politics since dwight eisenhower. the democratic presidential nomination looked like it was going to be a coronation and no one wanted that, including hillary clinton. she knew she needed democratic primary opponents. she didn't want it to look like she was just being handed the nomination. she wanted to look like she had to win it and she knew she needed some batting practice. she didn't want the general election debate with the republican nominee next year to
be her first time on a debate stage in eight years. if hillary clinton could have picked her main challenger for the democratic nomination, she would have picked bernie sanders in a second. she wanted someone more liberal than she is in the race so she could appear more moderate to general election voters. she didn't want to face a cool, hip young liberal like barack obama again. she wanted to face someone who could be caricatured, someone who even anderson cooper could write an attack ad against off the top of his head. >> the republican attack ad against you in a general election, it writes itself. you supported the sandinistas in nicaragua, you honeymooned in the soviet union and this weekend you said you're not a capitalist. doesn't that ad write itself? >> bernie sanders is more of a socialist than hillary clinton and the other candidates on that stage last night but not much more. they all support our big socialist programs like social security and medicare as do most republicans.
republicans would like to spend less on those programs but that means they're still willing to fund socialist programs. and most of the media has no idea that our economy is actually a mix of socialism and capitalism. it's what hillary clinton was referring to when she said this -- >> it's our job to rein in the excesses of capitalism so it doesn't run amok and doesn't cause the kind of inequities we're seeing in our economic system. >> and how do we rein in capitalism? with socialism. the way we temper capitalism is with small and sometimes large voices in socialism. for example, since pure free market in capitalism would lead to tragic programs, we have introduced heavy regulation to temper the cruelty of free market capitalisim in the health care sector. bernie sanders might be the only american politician who understood this "newsweek" cover
story six years ago "we are all socialists now." meaning we all accept and depend on certain amounts of socialism in our government. but bernie sanders is the only american politician brave enough or unwise enough depending on your perspective to actually admit that. that word, socialist, which is completely misunderstood by most americans, is part of what makes bernie sanders hillary clinton's ideal challenger. 50% of american voters say they will never vote for a socialist candidate for president. there's something else about bernie sanders that is very help to feel hillary clinton. while hillary clinton lost her first presidential campaign, many pundits said back then that she would be too old to run for president eight years down the road at age 67. 74-year-old bernie sanders makes hillary clinton look younger by the day. when bernie sanders got in the race, he took no support away
from hillary clinton absolutely none. he was the perfect challenger. bernie's surge in the polls in new hampshire and iowa has no doubt worried hillary clinton but she has maintained a lead in national polls and without the bernie surge hillary would not have gotten this headline today. "clinton crushes it." the bernie sanders surge in the polls and the huge crowds he has been attracting created some real suspense for the first democratic presidential debate. at 8:00 p.m. last night no one knew who was going to win that debate so the outcome was that much more exciting for pundits and headline writers who have almost unanimously and breathlessly given the win to the candidate who was supposed to be the boring inevitable nominee just a few months ago and last night was never boring and never in trouble, even when the debate exposed the biggest
problem that hillary clinton has ever had with liberal voters -- her vote to authorize the iraq war. >> well, i recall very well-being on a debate stage i think about 25 times with then senator obama debating this very issue. after the election he asked me to become secretary of state. he valued my judgment and i spent a lot of time with him -- [ applause ] in the situation room going over some very difficult issues. >> what if president obama never offered her that job? imagine if hillary clinton was standing on that stage as just another senator who was wrong about iraq, standing beside two senators who were right about iraq, bernie sanders and lincoln chafee. it's as if she planned it all, including taking the job of secretary of state so she could have that line ready at that moment that was sure to come in
her next presidential debate. but hillary clinton couldn't have planned all of this. and she couldn't have arranged for the republicans to have a complete governing ignoramus as their front-runner, a man who offends large voting groups in every speech. a man who voters associate primarily with the word "idiot" when asked for a one-word description of him. a man who, by the way, is two years older than hillary clinton. we know that bill clinton encouraged donald trump to run for president, but we now know that donald trump would have run without that encouragement so, no, hillary clinton didn't plan the bernie sanders candidacy she didn't talk him to running so she could have batting practice. she didn't do that with the other helpful and forgettable supporting cast on the stage including jim webb, oh, so conveniently running to her right. but it all played so perfectly last night that it looked like she did plan it all.
especially when in what looked like her difficult moment, she was saved by her ideal challenger bernie sanders. >> let me say something that may not be great politics but i think the secretary is right. and that is that the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails! >> thank you! me, too, me, too! >> hillary clinton didn't plan that moment and didn't arrange the seating plan on this year's republican clown car with donald trump and ben carson in the front. she couldn't have planned all of that. no one could, it is just too perfect. it's better than what any political fiction writer could come up with. hillary clinton didn't plan all of that, she just got lucky and that's the kind of luck that wins the white house.
joining us now, josh barrow, "new york times" reporter and msnbc contributor, also with us governor howard dean, former chairman of the democratic national committee and msnbc political analyst and maria teresa comar. howard dean, as a former presidential candidate and candidate for governor in vermont you know luck matters and luck lives in campaigns and it -- there's good luck and bad luck when you look at luck that has lined up for hillary clinton to put her where she was standing last night, it is kind of an amazing set of perfect coincidences. >> there is no question that luck plays a big role. on the other hand, she's an incredibly talented person. >> sure, that's very important. yes. >> i think the hill she climbed last night was the hill that every candidate has to climb and bernie has climbed it because he's been here for his whole career and that is are you speak with conviction? for the most part, she was.
that was something close to the real hillary clinton last night and the politics of authenticity and conviction i think almost always wins. >> maria teresa, i thought it was the best performance i have seen her deliver, including senate debates in new york which were good. this was better. >> but it's what howard is saying. you saw a genuine hillary clinton coming out. you saw the authenticity that people have been wanting to see and she didn't seem rehearsed or practiced and it was almost as if she knew the only other person she was really debating on that stage wasn't on that stage, that it was biden. the number of times she mentioned her closeness to president obama was trying to signal biden, don't come in and two, you don't need biden, you don't have me. >> josh, we know, if you know anything about debates, we know the line about president obama trusts my judgment was written, was rehearsed, was memorized but was delivered as if it had just occurred to her.
>> this is the issue that didder in in 2008 and she wants to walk past it and say that was asked and answered, i lost one election over that, i don't have to lose two elections over that. but the fundamentals in this campaign are very good for hillary clinton. the democratic party is aligned on hillary clinton. hillary clinton is the best known candidate, the most experienced candidate. she's the person who is the most likely to win a general election on that stage so she ought to win the debate. she ought to be the person who comes off the best in the debate so those fundamentals were good for her. i don't view this as luck. i view it as her being the best positioned candidate and most talented candidate so it's not surprising she won. it only looks surprising because she's had a rough few months in the campaign partly because expectations were so high for her but i'm not surprised by this. i don't think this is lucky outcome. this is the outcome that should have been expected.
>> joe biden, we're about 45 minutes into this debate i said geez, i don't miss joe biden it seemed one of the biden calculations a couple weeks ago was that team biden would be thinking let them are the first debate, let it be boring, let it be uneventful, they agree on everything. i won't be interesting and let democrats look at that and say is that all we've got? that didn't exactly play out that way. >> also there's a fantasy in the biden bid. he's a guy -- everybody has enormous sympathy for him and respect for him, he's been a terrific vice president, he has 100% name recognition among democratic primary voters and he's not in the campaign vote is 22% is his ceiling not his floor. so this is fanciful inside-the-beltway thinking to think he'll come in no matter what hillary clinton and bernie sanders do because he's at 22%. that's his ceiling.
so i thought he would get in if his heart told him to do it because he's a guy who cares and the heart drives him but his consultants if they were being honest would say don't do it. >> hillary clinton's next big moment in the spotlight will be at the benghazi hearing and we have another republican congressman saying something that is helpful to secretary clinton about this. this is an upstate new york congressman a and in his district he may find hillary clinton is more popular than he is but he said on radio today "sometimes --" sorry, this is the part down here that's relevant. "this may not be politically correct but there was a big part of this investigation that was designed to go after people and an individual, hillary clinton." and maria teresa, he's saying that to constituents, many of whom voted for hillary clinton for senator up there. >> on this at the thing, everybody was holding on to see
whether or not the benghazi hearings were going to be the death of hillary clinton for presidential candidate but the fact that you have mccarthy coming out, you have representative hannah coming out saying they were going on a witch-hunt and using this as a guise, they don't have credibility. it will be very difficult now to tune in and listen because they're already saying this is a witch-hunt, they're not trying to get to the truth of the matter. >> and josh barrow, he went further in this, he turned against kevin mccarthy and the committee and the additional comment he is made on that radio show saying they spent this money and this is what they were up to. this is another republican congressman and he's not saying it as a slip of the tongue from kevin mccarthy. >> i wonder if this is a symptom of the broader breakdown in the republican conference in the house, there are a lot of republicans -- >> would he have said that a month ago? >> i wonder. but this is like the people you hear talking about benghazi and hillary clinton are people who will were already predisposed to
hate hillary clinton. so i've wondered about this idea that the benghazi committee was as kevin mccarthy suggested it was, a significant driver of the decline in her poll numbers. i think this was an issue for republican base voters who were going to be against her either way. but the e-mail scandal is different, it created questions about handling of classified materials that you could complain about regardless of where you were on the political spectrum but as bernie sanders put in the the campaign, that reads as an inside baseball issue so even though i do think that in many ways a politically motivated investigation, it's not clear it's been effective. >> well, i think this is a big danger for republicans that if they have brains -- which so far they have no indication they do -- they'd cancel the hearing and get rid of the committee. hillary clinton was preparing for this as an ordeal. it's now an unbelievable opportunity for her. she can stuff 11 congressmen -- or however many show up because
i don't know the democrats will show up to this thing who have -- are now portrayed as bullies wasters of taxpayers money and unbelievable. this can be her moment. this could clinch the presidency for her. >> they won't cancel it but they could for once run a republican house committee hearing this that is decent and sensible and calm and not crazy and wild. we'll take a break. coming up, republican reaction to last night's debate and the 40 members of the republican freedom caucus are preventing house republicans from agreeing on their next speaker. one of the members of the republican freedom caucus will join me. they say that in life, we shouldn't sweat the small stuff. but when you're building a mercedes-benz, there really is no small stuff.
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marco rubio may have found his new line of attack on the republican front-runner without even mentioning donald trump's name. >> in the modern history of this country, never has there been a time when the political class is more out of touch than it is today. i wish i could just say it's in one political party but it is in both. leaders in both parties that are out of touch and outdated who do not remember what it was like to live paycheck to paycheck. >> that was marco rubio today in new hampshire. rubio struck another note of economic populism today. >> i have full confidence that the american private sector made up of the most innovative and productive people on this planet won't just create millions of jobs, they will create millions of jobs that pay more. because even the jobs -- [ applause ] because even the jobs that are being created now don't pay enough. you can't live on $10 an hour. you can't live on $11 an hour. >> maria teresa kumar, talking about living paycheck to
paycheck, all of that stuff certainly was drowned out in the first wave of trumpism for the first couple of months of the trump candidacy. do you think there's a chance for that kind of talk to resonate again with republican voters while trump is sitting at the top of this poll? >> well, i think what rubio is doing is pivoting back to his original stances. for the last two years he's been going around the country talking about making sure that we are discussing poverty. he's been a spokesperson for the one campaign talking about the importance of decreasing it and going into really small socioeconomic sectors in this country. the problem is, though, you can't expect corporate america to feel the burden and feel sorry enough for the little guy to ensure they're paying them a fair wage when that is against their core, which is how do you maximize profit. so he's trying to have it both ways and i think the american people are smarter than that. >> here's marco rubio, his position on the minimum wage.
>> i'm not in favor of repealing what we have now, i just don't think the minimum wage increase is the best way to increase wages. my problem with increasing minimum wage is what you've seen in cities and states that have gone to $15 an hour which is higher prices and less employment. >> so howard dean, you can't live on $10 an hour is one line of marco rubio but he doesn't want to increase the minimum wage to anything like $10 an hour. >> here's the problem he's going to have should he get through, a and i'm not convinced he will, but he may. the problem he's going to have in the debate, he's going to get tangled up in this in the presidential debates because he's trying to havette both ways. and inevitably when you're trying to have it both ways you have to pick a side and he hasn't done that and that will be a big problem for him when there are not 10 people on the stage to distract everybody, if he's one of two, he's got a problem. >> josh, it sounds old-fashioned for a candidate running against trump in trump world to talk about the struggings of living
paycheck to paycheck? >> well, the republican field, the one who has been most successful at appealing to middle-class economic concerns has been donald trump. trump has had a relentless message about how the rich are buying off washington and leaving the rest of you behind. trump is separated from the rest of the republican field on trade issues saying the u.s. needs a more protectionist trade policy to protect american jobs and raise wages and create jobs for workers. everyone else in the republican field the pro free trade. so yes you have marco rubio talking about his upbringing and how he was not born rich like a lot of the other candidates, including donald trump. but his platform isn't just minimum wage, he has a tax plan that is an enormous tax cut for people at the top, cuts tax rates for people on capital gains down to zero. the party is out of touch but so says s his economic plan. i disagree on the minimum wage issue. democrats think this is a great issue, democrats haven't been
winning elections on this because it's not an issue for for middle income people. it's an issue for the working poor. neither party has a coherent message for people making $20 or $30 an hour who can't get a wage increase through regulation. >> but, josh, if you remember, the midterm elections were you found four senators running, they were running on a platform of being republican but the ones at the same time down ballot the initiatives that won were minimum wage. so this is an issue that resonates across party lines and that's why it's one of the reasons why you see marco rubio talking about it because he knows that. even in arkansas where a red senator won the minimum wage was passed. >> but that's my point. you can pass a minimum wage increase in arkansas but it didn't do democrats any good in elections in arkansas. it's an issue where people agree but they aren't necessarily walking into the voting booth saying i'm going to pick an elected official who agrees with me on the minimum wage.
they're looking for somebody who speaks to their personal economic concerns, the minimum wage is a personal concern for many voters but not for voters in the middle of the spectrum. so yes republicans don't have a message there but democrats don't have one either. that's why the wins didn't translate into wins in elections for democrats. >> but i do think that's one of the reasons why rubio is hitting something. he realizes the majority of the republican base is struggling paycheck to paycheck so this is a way for him to resonate and move himself away from trump. is. >> and howard dean, when republicans like rubio go for this economic populism as you say they end up being boxed in by their own policies but as josh referred to the tax plan, analysis of rubio's tax plan indicates that the top 1% would have after-tax income increase by 27% trump's tax plan, the same. bush's tax plan top 1% would have their incomes increase by 16.4% under these tax plans and
somehow republican voters who are nowhere near that 1% somehow dissociate that from having anything do with their lives. that that doesn't in any way take anything from their lives. >> well, i think americans in general, not just republicans, think there's nothing wrong with being rich and would like to be rich themselves one day and that's why i think soak the rich from the democratic side is not all that wise. i think fairness is an important issue and you can pillory billionaires, especially koch brothers caricaturize billionaires but you have to be careful talking about taxes especially if you're a democrat. the point back to the minimum wage is what rubio is trying to do is smart but i don't think he'll get away with it. i side with josh in this argument, people don't vote because you'll trays minimum wage. what the minimum wage is a stand in for hardhearted mean people
and that's what the republican brand is so the problem with this tax analysis, most people won't do this tax analysis and when you do it for them they won't pay that much attention but they already believe the republicans aren't with them so everything we say about the minimum wage, about taxing -- giving huge tax breaks to billionaires people are inclined to believe that about the republican party in the same way they're inclined to believe that democrats spend too much money. if you fit the key into the key hole, it works a lot better in an election. >> howard dean, josh barrow and maria teresa kumar, thank you for joining us. coming up, republicans haven't been able to agree on a new speaker of the house in part because of the freedom caucus. a member of the republican freedom caucus will join me to explain their position. life's all about learning.... asking questions.... having new experiences. are you ready?
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it's 10:33 p.m. do you know where your speaker is? the house of representatives still doesn't know who its next speaker will be even though john boehner announced his immediate intention to retire over two weeks ago. republicans in the house cannot unify around a choice for speaker, including the popular paul ryan because the 40 republican members who call themselves the freedom caucus refuse to support any candidate for speaker who doesn't agree with their demands. joining us now is a member of the freedom caucus, alabama representative mo brooks.
congressman brooks, thank you very much for joining us tonight, really appreciate it. >> my pleasure, i look forward to it. >> i'm sure you've heard the freedom caucus demands described in the media and probably at times felt they were mischaracterized. what do you need to hear from a candidate for speaker of the house in order to vote for that candidate? >> well, let me back up. you're right, the media has mischaracterized the demands of the house freedom caucus because in fact there haven't been any. we haven't had a vote of the house freedom caucus in which we say these are the terms and conditions we would like to see as speaker agreed to before we will agree to vote for them. so i can't help but chuckle when i see time after time the media at multitude of different levels saying well the freedom caucus is unreasonable because of these ultimatums and demands they've issued when we haven't issued any at this point. now, we have had discussions about things we would like to see but those are negotiations and different from ultimatums
and demands. >> let's just then limit this to you. you're one vote. what do you need to hear from a candidate for speaker in order for that person to get your vote? >> there are two things that i would like to see. one on a policy level, another on a process level. on a policy level, i want a speaker who has the intellect and has the backbone, is courageous enough, to do the things america needs to do in order to solve the serious challenges we as a country face. is we're on a path to insolvency and bankruptcy. we need a speaker of the house who understands the urgency as expressed to us by america's comptroller general, as expressed to us by the congressional budget office and who will address these deficits before we suffer that debilitating insolvency and bankruptcy. at the same time, we need a speaker of the house who understands the difference between socialism that doesn't work in every nation that's ever
tried it and free enterprise and capital that does work. this that's what grows the economy. john, if kennedy believed in it and it worked. ronald reagan believed in it and it worked and it reduced revenues that helped decrease the deficits. i want a speaker who will fight for the economic model that works for americans rather than fails for america and all the countries that tried it. >> can i ask you on the policy issues you've identified there, does paul ryan meet that description? is he a person who understands that deficit policy that you want understood and do you think paul ryan is anti-socialist enough for you? >> paul ryan has made headway on the budget deficits. if i recall correctly the first budget he proposed when i was elected after the 2010 elections, sworn in in 2007, would have balanced in 26 years if my memory serves me correctly. that's not fast enough.
america will suffer insolvency and bankruptcy if we continue on our current path within that 26 year window. i want something more aggressive. paul ryan to his credit in later budgets pro poised by him he reduced that window to something in the neighborhood of ten years. we might be able to avoid an insolvency and bankruptcy if we solve this issue in ten years. time will tell. another issue is do we have a speaker's candidate who understands the suppression of wages and the cost in terms of lost jobs to struggling american families by the surge in illegal aliens who have taken at least eight million job opportunities from american workers on the one hand and on the other hand suppressed the wages of everybody. like for example before i came on you were talking about minimum wage. well if you want to solve the minimum wage you eliminate this artificial surge in the labor supply and wages will naturally go up for americans and that's who i represent. americans. to res the policy issues.
i don't know if you want to join the process or not. >> i want to get to process because i have sympathies with you on process. paul ryan has said very recently he's in favor of immigration reform so he is in favor of having many people undocumented in this country now become legal workers. so is that -- that sounds like it's a deal breaker for you on any possibility of voting for paul ryan? >> legalizing illegal aliens is wrong and bad for american families in a number of different respects. one, it encourages more illegal aliens to cross our border because we've shown forgiveness. we should have learned from the 1986 amnesty which was a small problem at that time. the fact that we gave amnesty is what caused a small problem to become a large problem in excess of 10 million people. illegal aliens know they can break our laws and stay here. second, on the play supply issue, if we legalize these workers you industrial these surge in the labor supply that has add an verse effect on the
ability of american families to earn a living, to support their families, to seize the american dream that i was able to seize in the 1960s and 1970s when i was young and trying to make my way. >> so congressman brooks, it sounds like you could not vote for paul ryan on the basic of immigration policy alone. >> he needs to change his policy to protect americans from the adverse effect of job seizures and wage suppression by this huge surge in the illegal alien labor supply. >> to process, congressman brooks. i have to say when i was working in the senate we used to come over to conference with the house and sometimes it felt like i was dealing with a soviet institution. the way members of the house are denied real participation in the way legislation is done there, it's done almost exclusively in the hands of the powerful chairman and the leadership and your process issues, some of them, i'm very sympathetic to. could you outline what are the new processes you want to get out of the new speaker?
>> the way things work right now it's top-bottom. you get a dictation from the top as to what amendments will be permitted with strong encouragement how to vote. that means 20 or 30 congressmen out of 435 are controlling what passes and does not pass the united states house of representatives. that's wrong. if that's the way it will operate well the other 400 of us can stay home if 20 to 30 cupel two three dozen are going to have that kind of power. i believe we ought to have a bottom up process where each member with his idea of merits can be presented in committee and if they are good and accepted by both republicans and democrats or majority thereof it can go to the house floor and we can have that debate there. i believe a bottom up process works better than top down. >> i agree with you on your process changes that you want. if a speaker candidate said to you "i will give you everything you want in process on issues, we will just have to agree to disagree.
could you live with that compromise? that at least you have to process that you want so your view on immigration or taxation or whatever the issue is could come to a vote in the committee with the new process? >> it's a weighing process but the short answer is yes. if we can make enough headway on process issues, that helps to offset the public policy issues. for example, with kevin mccarthy, i had this kind of discussion. kevin mccarthy was in large part in agreement with what i was suggesting on the process side and i probably would have voted for him on the house floor despite serious disagreements on the policy side. >> congressman brooks, as you know, your complaints about process were complaints democrats had about process when their leadership was running the ship the same way with them. congressman mo brooks, thank you for joining us tonight. appreciate it. thank you. up next, hillary clinton got a follow-up question about marijuana legalization after that subject came up in last night's debate.
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are you ready to take a position tonight? >> no. i think that we have the opportunity through the states that are pursuing recreational marijuana to find out more than we know today. i do support the use of medical marijuana and i think even there we need to do more research. >> today hillary clinton got a follow-up question about that from the nbc station in denver, colorado. >> you said at the debate you're not ready to take a position on legalization of marijuana but colorado voters need to know how a hillary clinton administration would treat us. would you promise not to as chris christie says he would use federal authority to shut down or interfere with the legal marijuana system we have in colorado and other states? >> i really believe it's important that states like colorado lead the way so we can learn what works and doesn't work and i would certainly not want the federal government to interfere with the legal
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>> israeli security stepped up its presence in jerusalem. their aim was to thwart any possible attack that could happen not just on israeli checkpoints but even against israeli civilians. today such an attack took place and we were there as it unfolded. it happened in an instant in front of our camera. a man with a knife runs past a security checkpoint and is shot dead by israeli police. the knife clearly visible in his hand. >> he pulled out a knife and police officers managed to neutralize the terrorist. >> he was identified as 19-year-old basil it isar, a palestinian from the west bank. just hours later, at jerusalem's central bus terminal, another palestinian man stabs and injures a 72-year-old israeli woman. he, too, is shot dead by police: the latest in weeks of attacks leaving eight israelis dead.
today another funeral, israel is on high alert. hundreds of additional security forces called up. police checkpoints increased. palestinian neighborhoods sealed off restricting movement. israel is warning that bodies of attackers will not be returned to their families and their homes will be demolished but palestinians are also mourning. 30 dead in recent weeks, some of them attackers, but many killed were protesters, the funeral of one today in bethlehem was followed by more clashes with israeli police. palestinians claim a double standard. that israel cracks down on palestinian attackers but goes easy on israeli extremists. their anger fuelled by social media and viral videos like this one allegedly showing an injured 13-year-old palestinian left to bleed israel released its own video showing knife-wielding palestinians. both sides feel under siege, israel like the ones by attacks
today and palestinians by what they consider an occupying power. now secretary of state john kerry says he plans to travel to the region to try and restore calm but he hasn't given any specific dates or plans so for now any attempt to try to end the violence like what we witnessed here today may be wishful thinking as both sides, the israeli and palestinians, continue to blame each other for this latest outbreak of violence. >> nbc's ayman mohyeldin, thank you. up next, time for the good news. ♪ ♪ the beautiful sound of customers making the most of their united flight. power, wi-fi, and streaming entertainment. that's... seize the journey friendly.
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who have skills in teaching, agriculture, and in health. i'm hopeful it will be a source of satisfaction to americans and a contribution to world piece. >> today the peace corps announced it received 23,000 applications in 2015, is a 32% increase from 2014 and the most it has received since 1975. joining us now, former peace corps volunteer kimberly connor. kimberly, when did you serve in the peace corps? >> between 2011 and 2013. >> and where did you go? >> madagascar. >> that's the giant island off the southeast coast of africa. like about the size of california. is that where you wanted to go? >> when i applied to the peace corps you couldn't select what country you served in and that excited me. i was very much about the spirit of the peace corps, going wherever they sent me. i trusted the program to send me
wherever my skills were needed. >> and one of the things that's changed is now you're allowed to say "i want to go to this place, i want to go to africa and they say that's helped in recruitment. is that your sense of it? >> absolutely. and i can completely understand that sentiment. i personally liked the surprise -- >> you wanted the suspense? >> i wanted the suspense. i wanted to bet is that invitation envelope and not know where it was going to send me in the world. >> where did you get this volunteer spirit? what made you want to do this? >> i grew up in a tiny rural town in western kentucky and it was very isolated culturally and so when i went off to college, that was my first taste of the wider world and i wanted more of it but i wanted to do it in a way that wasn't self-serving, that was helping people learn and learning about new cultures, new languages. >> what skills did you bring to the peace corps? >> i was actually -- my undergrad was premedical so i had skills in public health.
>> one of my big disappointments, i couldn't get into the peace corps, i got the application and it was very clear they wanted very specific skills. i don't think i filled it out. they discovered i was just a liberal arts graduate in who majored in economics and they were looking for somebody who knew something about agriculture, how to help and that's who we have in the peace corps, right? >> that's true. they are looking for particular skill sets, like i was a community health educator and they do have agriculture volunteers but they also have volunteers who do have -- from a liberal arts degree background. >> there's hope for me? >> there's hope for you yet. you can still apply. >> and they take older applicants? retirees? >> absolutely. >> what are you doing now? >> i'm a student at cuny graduate school of journalism and i have the best big, i am an intern with "the last word". >> it must be so boring for you to be here after two years in madagascar doing new things.
>> that's just learning new skills. >> i'm sure. kimberly conner, thank you for everything you're doing at "the last word." thank you for being part of this great spirit that's given us the peace corps. appreciate that. >> thank you. >> chris hayes is up next. "hardball" starts right now. hillary and bernie, did both win? let's play "hardball." could it be that hillary clinton did what she had to do last night, grabbed the democratic mother load? is it true that bernie sanders used his first grade national audience to enlist many new recruits. you heard the conventional wisdom. major headlines are strong declaring hillary clinton the victory. hillary clinton dominates first democratic debate.